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Ticket ID
NTM-405143
Subject
Dnshistory.org archival [MERGED]
Priority
Medium
Department
Support
2017/01/02 (17:30)
Timothy Vichra vichratimot@euromail.hu
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2016/08/22 (15:42)
Timothy Vichra vichratimot@euromail.hu
Dear Chris Burton,

having seen your (or someone's from you company) latest counteroperations against us, let me react to that, and at the same time, to your last message.

I can say, partly on behalf of our Team too, that we despise your company, not because of discontinuing the DNS History service, not even exclusively and primarily for not letting us grab the site, but mainly for acting in such an agressive way with no clear, claimed and acceptable reason.

Unfortunately neither of your two arguments in your last message is acceptable.

First, saying that it is impossible to archive the website is not true. It is a matter of time and will. The time you keep up the site and the will you are willing to share your content. You could have said, on behalf of your company, that it would be against your business if we saved the records, but you did not. You could have also said that you were not able to keep up the site for longer than July 10, but you have been keeping it up for 1.5 more months. (Also, given this, your shutdown notice was also a plain lie.)

Secondly, we, to say the least, doubt that we cause real issues to other users of your service. We pay attention to how the site responds, and if we see it breaking apart or even slowing down considerably, we decrease our pace. We have not seen such problems, especially not now in August. You could have also given us a guide on how many requests we should address to the website in order not to cause malfunction. You could have also said that it would be against your business if we generated too much traffic, if that was the case. Also, such an argument (causing issues to other users) is sort of ridiculous from a company that is closing the whole service in days, making everything unavailable to all users. It is even more ridiculous to ban us when the site should have already been closed for months.

To sum up, we have not been given real reasons why you do everything against saving an important part of internet history, that is why we are angry and maybe unfriendly in our attitude and actions. We have saved hundreds of websites in the last years and we have met many, many website operators that either themselves asked us to help saving their websites, or at least were cooperative, which means not banning us, communicating with us, or letting us grab the site even after their official shutdown date, giving access to no one just us. These cooperative services range from little websites to large companies including Google(!). We are more than sorry that we cannot mention the 8086 Consultancy among them.

Have fun erasing valuable content you collected with hard work for everyone's delight.

Regards,
Timothy Vichra
2016/07/08 (12:47)
Chris Burton Staff
Hi,
Yes I have enabled anti-DDoS, this is due to requests from ArchiveTeam.

There is no way you can archive the >billion pages on the site and trying to do so is causing issues for other users on the site.

Regards,
Chris Burton
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2016/07/07 (18:50)
Timothy Vichra vichratimot@euromail.hu
Dear Sir or Madam,

I'm writing to you on behalf of ArchiveTeam, a group dedicated to saving internet history.

We are sad to see that you are closing the dnshistory.org website soon, both because we think it is an important part of internet history, and also because many of our members personally liked the service too. Therefore we have started a project to save the contents of the website. What we save would be uploaded to and presented by the Internet Archive to everyone for free.

Having seen the recent anti-DDoS protection, which prevents us from saving the website, we would like to ask you to let us access the site. We hope that you too realize how notable your content is, and you do not, in good conscience, let all this disappear forever.

We are ready to adjust our operations to the capacity of your infrastructure – in fact, we keep monitoring how your website seems to deal with the load, and try not to render the service inaccessible. If you think we do too many requests, you are welcome to tell that – furthermore, we would be glad if you contacted us so that we can co-operate.

We would also like to ask you, if you let us mirror your website, to postpone the closure date so that we can save everything.

We make HTTP requests in order to be able to serve the responses later from WARC files in a way that a user sees what they would see now by visiting your website. However, should this be, for some reason, inapproprate for you, or if you cannot delay the shutdown date (and so we cannot save everything), we would also welcome if you transferred your database to us or the Internet Archive.

We work to preserve web history for everyone. You can learn more about us on http://www.archiveteam.org.

We are looking forward to hearing back from you soon.

Yours faithfully,
Timothy Vichra
ArchiveTeam
2016/07/07 (18:50)
Timothy Vichra vichratimot@euromail.hu
Dear Sir or Madam,

I'm writing to you on behalf of ArchiveTeam, a group dedicated to saving internet history.

We are sad to see that you are closing the dnshistory.org website soon, both because we think it is an important part of internet history, and also because many of our members personally liked the service too. Therefore we have started a project to save the contents of the website. What we save would be uploaded to and presented by the Internet Archive to everyone for free.

Having seen the recent anti-DDoS protection, which prevents us from saving the website, we would like to ask you to let us access the site. We hope that you too realize how notable your content is, and you do not, in good conscience, let all this disappear forever.

We are ready to adjust our operations to the capacity of your infrastructure – in fact, we keep monitoring how your website seems to deal with the load, and try not to render the service inaccessible. If you think we do too many requests, you are welcome to tell that – furthermore, we would be glad if you contacted us so that we can co-operate.

We would also like to ask you, if you let us mirror your website, to postpone the closure date so that we can save everything.

We make HTTP requests in order to be able to serve the responses later from WARC files in a way that a user sees what they would see now by visiting your website. However, should this be, for some reason, inapproprate for you, or if you cannot delay the shutdown date (and so we cannot save everything), we would also welcome if you transferred your database to us or the Internet Archive.

We work to preserve web history for everyone. You can learn more about us on http://www.archiveteam.org.

We are looking forward to hearing back from you soon.

Yours faithfully,
Timothy Vichra
ArchiveTeam
2016/07/07 (18:50)
Timothy Vichra vichratimot@euromail.hu
Dear Sir or Madam,

I'm writing to you on behalf of ArchiveTeam, a group dedicated to saving internet history.

We are sad to see that you are closing the dnshistory.org website soon, both because we think it is an important part of internet history, and also because many of our members personally liked the service too. Therefore we have started a project to save the contents of the website. What we save would be uploaded to and presented by the Internet Archive to everyone for free.

Having seen the recent anti-DDoS protection, which prevents us from saving the website, we would like to ask you to let us access the site. We hope that you too realize how notable your content is, and you do not, in good conscience, let all this disappear forever.

We are ready to adjust our operations to the capacity of your infrastructure – in fact, we keep monitoring how your website seems to deal with the load, and try not to render the service inaccessible. If you think we do too many requests, you are welcome to tell that – furthermore, we would be glad if you contacted us so that we can co-operate.

We would also like to ask you, if you let us mirror your website, to postpone the closure date so that we can save everything.

We make HTTP requests in order to be able to serve the responses later from WARC files in a way that a user sees what they would see now by visiting your website. However, should this be, for some reason, inapproprate for you, or if you cannot delay the shutdown date (and so we cannot save everything), we would also welcome if you transferred your database to us or the Internet Archive.

We work to preserve web history for everyone. You can learn more about us on http://www.archiveteam.org.

We are looking forward to hearing back from you soon.

Yours faithfully,
Timothy Vichra
ArchiveTeam
2016/07/06 (13:05)
Timothy Vichra vichratimot@euromail.hu
Dear Sir or Madam,

I'm writing to you on behalf of ArchiveTeam, a group dedicated to saving internet history.

We are sad to see that you are closing the dnshistory.org website soon, both because we think it is an important part of internet history, and also because many of our members personally liked the service too. Therefore we have started a project to save the contents of the website. What we save would be uploaded to and presented by the Internet Archive to everyone for free.

Having seen the recent anti-DDoS protection, which prevents us from saving the website, we would like to ask you to let us access the site. We hope that you too realize how notable your content is, and you do not, in good conscience, let all this disappear forever.

We are ready to adjust our operations to the capacity of your infrastructure – in fact, we keep monitoring how your website seems to deal with the load, and try not to render the service inaccessible. If you think we do too many requests, you are welcome to tell that – furthermore, we would be glad if you contacted us so that we can co-operate.

We would also like to ask you, if you let us mirror your website, to postpone the closure date so that we can save everything.

We make HTTP requests in order to be able to serve the responses later from WARC files in a way that a user sees what they would see now by visiting your website. However, should this be, for some reason, inapproprate for you, or if you cannot delay the shutdown date (and so we cannot save everything), we would also welcome if you transferred your database to us or the Internet Archive.

We work to preserve web history for everyone. You can learn more about us on http://www.archiveteam.org.

We are looking forward to hearing back from you soon.

Yours faithfully,
Timothy Vichra
ArchiveTeam
2016/07/06 (13:05)
Timothy Vichra vichratimot@euromail.hu
Dear Sir or Madam,

I'm writing to you on behalf of ArchiveTeam, a group dedicated to saving internet history.

We are sad to see that you are closing the dnshistory.org website soon, both because we think it is an important part of internet history, and also because many of our members personally liked the service too. Therefore we have started a project to save the contents of the website. What we save would be uploaded to and presented by the Internet Archive to everyone for free.

Having seen the recent anti-DDoS protection, which prevents us from saving the website, we would like to ask you to let us access the site. We hope that you too realize how notable your content is, and you do not, in good conscience, let all this disappear forever.

We are ready to adjust our operations to the capacity of your infrastructure – in fact, we keep monitoring how your website seems to deal with the load, and try not to render the service inaccessible. If you think we do too many requests, you are welcome to tell that – furthermore, we would be glad if you contacted us so that we can co-operate.

We would also like to ask you, if you let us mirror your website, to postpone the closure date so that we can save everything.

We make HTTP requests in order to be able to serve the responses later from WARC files in a way that a user sees what they would see now by visiting your website. However, should this be, for some reason, inapproprate for you, or if you cannot delay the shutdown date (and so we cannot save everything), we would also welcome if you transferred your database to us or the Internet Archive.

We work to preserve web history for everyone. You can learn more about us on http://www.archiveteam.org.

We are looking forward to hearing back from you soon.

Yours faithfully,
Timothy Vichra
ArchiveTeam
2016/07/06 (13:05)
Timothy Vichra vichratimot@euromail.hu
Dear Sir or Madam,

I'm writing to you on behalf of ArchiveTeam, a group dedicated to saving internet history.

We are sad to see that you are closing the dnshistory.org website soon, both because we think it is an important part of internet history, and also because many of our members personally liked the service too. Therefore we have started a project to save the contents of the website. What we save would be uploaded to and presented by the Internet Archive to everyone for free.

Having seen the recent anti-DDoS protection, which prevents us from saving the website, we would like to ask you to let us access the site. We hope that you too realize how notable your content is, and you do not, in good conscience, let all this disappear forever.

We are ready to adjust our operations to the capacity of your infrastructure – in fact, we keep monitoring how your website seems to deal with the load, and try not to render the service inaccessible. If you think we do too many requests, you are welcome to tell that – furthermore, we would be glad if you contacted us so that we can co-operate.

We would also like to ask you, if you let us mirror your website, to postpone the closure date so that we can save everything.

We make HTTP requests in order to be able to serve the responses later from WARC files in a way that a user sees what they would see now by visiting your website. However, should this be, for some reason, inapproprate for you, or if you cannot delay the shutdown date (and so we cannot save everything), we would also welcome if you transferred your database to us or the Internet Archive.

We work to preserve web history for everyone. You can learn more about us on http://www.archiveteam.org.

We are looking forward to hearing back from you soon.

Yours faithfully,
Timothy Vichra
ArchiveTeam